DUST Search - Casual (dumb) gamer Vs. hardcore (smart) gamer: Dust complexity simple fix

Edu Ashbourne wrote:

R'ahz Lupo wrote:

Higgs flagrantfool wrote:

R'ahz Lupo wrote:

Condescending and ignorant overtones aside, predetermined skill paths would be a fairly good idea. Maybe, not referring to casual gamers as "dumb" , so as to not alienate them might be your next task.

Hmmmm... I would really like to flame your post some more but I'm doing my best to remain tactful considering I'm relatively new to the community :P

Oh come on now, it was just a little comedy, after reading a few threads complaining about the complexity of something I find to be quite simple and striat forward.

It was NOT ment in poor taste, and, if you took it that way, I would have to say that you are just being over sensitive.

But flame on if you feel the need.

Regardless of your intentions behind it, you have to look at how it reads. Regardless of the game's complexity, regardless of how easy or intuitive you find it, not everyone may find it so. Does that make them dumb? An individual that plays casually and has never came across a similar UI before, but was intrigued by the idea of Dust would be considered dumb?
It reads incredibly condescending and is unnecessary. This should be a respectful community where we try and welcome all players veteran and casual alike without belittling them.
Otherwise, you're no different than the douchey CoD elitist fan boy. I would consider editing your thread title and OP

You know, I'd rather we'd discuss the skill tree thing then regress into that "that hurt my feelings, you must apologise!" social justice malarkey. There's enough of that stuff in the news.

Whether it offends you or not, the smarts and attention spans of the average gamer have taken a fall over the years and game quality has suffered by catering to it. Dishonored's dev team said that when their levels were entirely open choice, playtesters would wonder aimlessly for hours because there wasn't anything to tell them what to do. It's scary stuff.


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R'ahz Lupo Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2012.11.17 03:36:00 - [1] - Quote Condescending and ignorant overtones aside, predetermined skill paths would be a fairly good idea. Maybe, not referring to casual gamers as "dumb" , so as to not alienate them might be your next task. Hmmmm... I would really like to flame your post some more but I'm doing my best to remain tactful considering I'm relatively new to the community :P
R'ahz Lupo Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2012.11.17 14:03:00 - [2] - Quote Higgs flagrantfool wrote: R'ahz Lupo wrote: Condescending and ignorant overtones aside, predetermined skill paths would be a fairly good idea. Maybe, not referring to casual gamers as "dumb" , so as to not alienate them might be your next task. Hmmmm... I would really like to flame your post some more but I'm doing my best to remain tactful considering I'm relatively new to the community :P Oh come on now, it was just a little comedy, after reading a few threads complaining about the complexity of something I find to be quite simple and striat forward. It was NOT ment in poor taste, and, if you took it that way, I would have to say that you are just being over sensitive. But flame on if you feel the need. Regardless of your intentions behind it, you have to look at how it reads. Regardless of the game's complexity, regardless of how easy or intuitive you find it, not everyone may find it so. Does that make them dumb? An individual that plays casually and has never came across a similar UI before, but was intrigued by the idea of Dust would be considered dumb? It reads incredibly condescending and is unnecessary. This should be a respectful community where we try and welcome all players veteran and casual alike without belittling them. Otherwise, you're no different than the douchey CoD elitist fan boy. I would consider editing your thread title and OP
R'ahz Lupo Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2012.11.17 15:33:00 - [3] - Quote Edu Ashbourne wrote: R'ahz Lupo wrote: Higgs flagrantfool wrote: R'ahz Lupo wrote: Condescending and ignorant overtones aside, predetermined skill paths would be a fairly good idea. Maybe, not referring to casual gamers as "dumb" , so as to not alienate them might be your next task. Hmmmm... I would really like to flame your post some more but I'm doing my best to remain tactful considering I'm relatively new to the community :P Oh come on now, it was just a little comedy, after reading a few threads complaining about the complexity of something I find to be quite simple and striat forward. It was NOT ment in poor taste, and, if you took it that way, I would have to say that you are just being over sensitive. But flame on if you feel the need. Regardless of your intentions behind it, you have to look at how it reads. Regardless of the game's complexity, regardless of how easy or intuitive you find it, not everyone may find it so. Does that make them dumb? An individual that plays casually and has never came across a similar UI before, but was intrigued by the idea of Dust would be considered dumb? It reads incredibly condescending and is unnecessary. This should be a respectful community where we try and welcome all players veteran and casual alike without belittling them. Otherwise, you're no different than the douchey CoD elitist fan boy. I would consider editing your thread title and OP You know, I'd rather we'd discuss the skill tree thing then regress into that "that hurt my feelings, you must apologise!" social justice malarkey. There's enough of that stuff in the news. Whether it offends you or not, the smarts and attention spans of the average gamer have taken a fall over the years and game quality has suffered by catering to it. Dishonored's dev team said that when their levels were entirely open choice, playtesters would wonder aimlessly for hours because there wasn't anything to tell them what to do. It's scary stuff. Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of preset class skill paths is a fine idea to help new people who have never played this game before or anything like it. Don't get me wrong, I realize the vast majority of gamers are young and lack attention spans. Also, I'm not offended. I think the UI is pretty straight forward and I didn't even use tutorials. However, I don't think it's right to welcome new players into the community with a complimentary dunce cap. That kind of disrespect is what you find in the CoD community. .... Minus the n-bombs and *** drops... On topic, perhaps a a category for skill bundles. They would be organized into class. Sniper skill bundle 1, for instance. It would have the combined ISK and SP cost of all the skills in the bundle and contains everything relevant to the path of the sniper at level 1. From there, the player need only to upgrade the purchased skills. Different class bundles could include things like close assault, anti vehicle, overwatch, squad support and suppression, etc.